I percieved spirits, voyaged in astral planes, lucid dreamed and had extra-ordinary experiences since I was a child. I went thru a long period of denial and fear over it. I realized that psychotherapy would never "cure" me of these encounters, would have likely inundated me with meds, or subjected me to tedious episodes with shrinks trying to convince me that its all in my imagination.

I've since learned to accept this aspect of my reality, work with it and integrate it through Tibetan shamanic practices, which are very effective. My sangha is both shamanic and Buddhist, and numerous members have had equally wierd experiences. Over time I've gathered a yogi support network, so that if things get really strange, I have friends who will listen without shipping me off to the loony bin and actually give me relevant advice.

I try to be careful about who I talk to about these things, because many simply don't experience the spirit world, don't want to, and will never understand.

very well put Shaman.:)

I had never quite became conscious of that sensation that when I was walking around SF while I lived there how I felt like I was intruding on people because I could feel everything. That really turned a lightbulb on for me. I also notice that even as I walk around my neighborhood in Fairfax that I have some of that sense but not nearly as overlapped and intense as in SF. I also used to feel like when I would be at a big bar or party I would bring the people home with me that was tiring. I do find getting out amongst the trees or going to the beach helps a lot.

Q

you know schizotypal can be applied to anyone that even believes majik is possible

Thanks Shaman ... the telepathic noise can indeed be overwhelming. One thing you might try is regulating the openness of your chakras, specifically the 5th (clairaudience) and 2nd (clairsentience). The more open they are, the more sensitive you'll be. So have you started picking up more communication from nature now that you're somewhat more isolated?

About THEM taking us seriously ... without the intent of inducing paranoia, they already do. This I know from personal experience. The trick is to not take THEM seriously.

The psychic energy in the Isle of Man where I live is palpable. This ancient country was once Celtic and then Viking, and the old spirits still pervade the place. Stone circles gave way to elaborate stone crosses, but the underlying forces remained the same. There are 76,000 of us on an island of 220 square miles - space, wildlife, shadows of clouds chasing over the hills, silence, stars. And the power of coincidence here - Fate - is astonishing. Two worlds in one place.

My Pound's worth......

"Most of us would be diagnosed as mildly delusional at best and schizophrenic at worst, and don't think it hasn't happened already to some."

Certainly today's psychiatry is a dangerous place for those navigating the world of new experiences. Especially so for those brave enough to embrace their visions, and who perceive enough difference in their own intelligence relative to the local authorities that they become radically experimental in their attempts to escape the Matrix.

When first going through some of the changes in my perceptions and abilities, it was around the time that the movie _A Beautiful Mind_ came out. I was blown away by the similarities with John Nash's backgrounds and his theories, and I proposed that maybe he wasn't actually crazy after all. Someone I knew, who had a spiritualist leaning, said: "Who said he was 'crazy'? Did you notice the title of the movie?"

A good point. Perhaps the issue is not that he wasn't seeing valid things, but just that he reacted in ways that didn't lead to his benefit. (I've heard it rumored Nash does not take medication anymore but merely keeps his pattern-finding in check through careful control of who he associates with and by gathering feedback from various sources before taking any major actions.)

"I fear the day when they DO take us seriously enough to actually put some energy behind their aversion to those empathic enough for it to effect our daily lives."

I had a very vivid dream many years ago where I was at a shopping mall, playing a game of hide-and-go-seek...looking for people. And I somehow understood that my friends and I were psychically taking control of unwitting shoppers, and then once we had "possessed" them we would play in their bodies--doing as we wished. However I received a jolt when a car in the parking lot exploded, and I realized that it was one of my psychic friend's cars in which they had been in a trance. They'd been bombed by fearful humans, who the moment they figured out what was going on were taking a scorched-earth policy to destroying us.

Purely in my head or not...I later saw this same theme of a battle played out in the X-Men movies--where the existence of mutants who have such powers makes those who do not afraid and organize against them. Dr. X wishes to convince the mutants to be protectors and uplifters of humanity, while Magneto wishes mutants to take their rightful place as rulers of Earth. It's difficult to choose a side; one's patience can wear thin standing up for closed-minded and seemingly-not-very-smart primates. Especially ones whose only reaction to analogies is "why are you bringing up movies to make your points, they're not real"...aaarg!

I myself have had conflicting thoughts on the matter, and perhaps the dream above is a reflection of my ambivalence with regard to "normals". But my overall point is that maybe it is, indeed, safer for the moment if these ideas are not taken seriously. Yet it does suggest that those who *do* understand need to be extra careful about recruiting and guiding...crawling the search engines to find those who are not going to get sound advice from the medical industry (or a fee-charging psychic with ulterior motives and questionable abilities).

I suppose being a guide is a self-selected duty, if you happen to realize you have the means and patience to reach out with whatever telepathic or technical tools you might have. (Is there a difference?)

i do not know where they went...


i need more tree's around, not enough here in los angeles...

...and old stuff. there are old and deep things here but a lot of the impressions are swept away as if by a strange wind...

its as if the whole world is wearing a mask... and lots of people are walking around sort of psychically shell shocked...

Welcome with a empathetic embrace Tia.

I too have have had to over come the fear. Mostly the fear of non acceptance. I was born with my gifts. I walk the path of the healer, but see the spirits on the other side as real as this one.

What I see as a healer is hard to explain. I see the "inside" of the body. The blood, bones, muscles, etc. On the outside, I see auras, electrical impulses, emotional ties etc. I see ppl as different colors of energy. Each having its own specific code. It is wierd.

I have been labeled a freak, but that is the least of the name calling and the labels. I too have had to grow beyond these labels and answer to a higher level of understanding. It was very difficult and at times I still have problems with it.

Each rung on the ladder is one step closer to breaking free of the labels that bind me. One more step closer to breaking free of the fear restraints. These restraints are the ones I put upon myself as those who did not accept me are now in the past. Only their memories are replayed in my mind. So I am slowly breaking the "loop". It is a long journey.. but not without support, and not without giving up all that I am. I can only go forward on my journey. Where I go, is entirely up to me.

You must make this choice as well. It is only by makeing the choice that frees us. The most difficult part of the journey is the actual making of the choice to be freed of our fear. Fear of what others think, feel or label us due to their lack of understanding not ours.

Live in Light, love and understanding.. happiness comes from within, not from any outside source.

Gypsi

You're not alone there. That is what's especially uniuqe about the tribe.net. Here you'll find a wide variety of intelligent and gifted people... and it never ceases to amaze me, how each expresses their own unique ability differently.

It's good to have a place where we do not need to hide the "second sight" side of our personalities.

So we post these little notes and talk about it.

I thank you all for the input into this thread and the willingness to overcome fear in order to speak openly and have a mature dialogue regarding such a "taboo" subject. Taboo in the conventional sense in that mundane society views these experiences as "freakish" but also taboo in the traditional sense as many shamanic and spiritual cultures frown upon open talk of extra-ordinary experiences. I frequently struggle between the delicate balance of sharing wisdom that needs to be shared which comes through the spirit world, the importance of guarding secrecy because of the traditional perceived sacredness of such experiences, and the need to connect to others who share those experiences in order to not feel so alone and isolated.

Dumortierite is a blue crystal,
that is wonderful to wear, for
sensitive people, having to function
among others not aware of the "psychic
noise" they emit.

Wear on the chakra most sensitive.

Cleanse with saltwater.

This is gonna be WAY out of left field... literally-

I've noticed a preponderance of left-handedness in those friends of mine with this gift/afliction. Is it just that I'm left-handed and notice more lefties? Or is there truly a disproportionate leftiness in this crowd. Oh yeah, the population runs between 8 and 12% lefty, depending on locale, age, gender, etc.

How many of you/us are left handed?

Note: *According to the experts, ambidextrous-ness is left-handedness if you can write more easily with your left hand, right-handedness if you can more easily write with your right, irrespective of practice. Interesting perspective, but they're the experts. Left-eye, left-foot, etc. dominance seems to be unrelated to left-hand dominance. Odd but apparently true.*

Just curious.

Well said, everyone.

I tend to speak of what I see and experience with a precious few, having learned early this time around that not everyone is ready to hear what I might share. Ask though, and I will answer.

I also want to add my voice to support those of you who seek those of us who perceive more than with the physical senses that came with our bodies at birth.

We are here.

I am here.

Welcome.