Protection on the Astral plains

topic posted Mon, February 6, 2006 - 12:32 AM by  mai
How do you protect yourself on Astral plains?

Can you controll where you're going? or do you just leave the body and find yourselves somewhere randomly?

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mai
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  • Re: Protection on the Astral plains

    Mon, February 6, 2006 - 7:58 AM
    After you learn how to develop it, you can control where and when you want to go. While you are on the astral, i like to envision a bright white shield around me. And also keeping some protection around like spirit guides, amuletes. medicine Bag etc.
    • Re: Protection on the Astral plains

      Mon, February 6, 2006 - 9:19 PM
      can anyone give tips on developing the ability? i'm working on it now.
      • Re: Protection on the Astral plains

        Tue, February 7, 2006 - 10:08 AM
        The easiest way that I know is through Visualization. Go into a meditative state, use watever techniques you want to . Once you get yourself centered,and your mind cleared, just picture the Universe and imagine yourself flying,through space. If you want to go t any continent or country in the world just visualize it.

        Once you can get the meditation and visualization down. It is pretty easy to journey.

        Jack
        • Re: Astral Projection: how to begin

          Tue, February 7, 2006 - 10:23 AM
          I would advise you, if you're just starting out, to do it in baby-steps.

          do your favorite relaxation, and when you reach the "clear" point, feel how your astral-eyes are open (in other world - keep your eyes closed, but feel as though you've open them).
          look around you, and see the room.
          the next step is to try sitting up, while your physical body is still lying...
          then walk around the room

          only after you master that, try travling to places you don't know
          • Re: Astral Projection: how to begin

            Tue, February 7, 2006 - 11:06 AM
            The most important declaration is to say:

            "Evil only has the power I give it"

            You can visualize a white light protecting your body.

            When you leave your body, many illusions appear, that try to get your attention, trying to get you to give them your power, they have no power without your attention or wish for them to.

            So realize your body is safe with the white light around it, and move out of your body with the knowledge that nothing your encounter has power over you without your desire.
            • Re:Evil only has the power I give it???

              Thu, February 9, 2006 - 1:28 PM
              Why? Because "good" is more powerful than "bad"? get real!
              If you truly think that - you're either very naive, or have never faced a demon before. every being has power. some are stronger tham me and some are not.
              It is all about the energy: if yours is stronger, nothing (Evil or not) can touch you.
              If what-ever-it-is you face is stronger than you, it can very easily harm you (energetically AND physically!).

              mai
              • Re:Evil only has the power I give it???

                Thu, February 9, 2006 - 6:09 PM
                Evil is balanced with Good. But not being strong enought psychically can get on waylayed on their trip. And that won't be very pretty. Good is just as strong as evil, it all depends on your power to conform it, confront it, or run from it.
                • Re:Evil only has the power I give it???

                  Fri, February 10, 2006 - 1:03 AM
                  Just what I said [=

                  Some powers are stronger than you, and some are weaker/
                  Saying "Evil only has the power I give it" is like saying I can control other powers. I find it a very dangerous say, especially for inexperience travelers, who might get a false sense of strength, and get in a lot of troubles.

                  mai
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                    Re:Evil only has the power I give it???

                    Fri, February 10, 2006 - 6:13 AM
                    I am curious as to whether astral travelling and remote viewing are the same thing or overlap etc...?
                    • astral

                      Sun, February 12, 2006 - 9:43 PM
                      remote viewing is a form of astral travelling but your usually in this dimension watching things, it seems from what i read that astral travel can be done to go to other planes, dimensions, universes, so on, and that you can interact rather than just watch.

                      "Evil only has the power I give it" is saying you are a fucntional cognitive being that has will and the mental capacity to block and banish bad energies that others project on to you, of course "bad things" will always happen as life has dualities, but you dont have to manifest them or encourage them with a bad cycle of repetition.
                      • Re: astral

                        Mon, February 13, 2006 - 1:23 PM
                        I am at a transitional phase of vague clumsy intuitions
                        so thanks for the astral/remote clarification beatrix... :)

                        interesting you went on to mention moki's comment about the power of evil
                        as I am still struggling with the dualities manifesting on the material plane...
                    • Re:astral projection vs. remot viewing

                      Tue, February 14, 2006 - 12:19 AM
                      the main difference is that you can stay inside your physical body, and still see things that happens in a different room, a different country and so...

                      astral projection is when your body is in one place and your soul is in another place.

                      mai
                      • Re:astral projection vs. remot viewing

                        Tue, February 14, 2006 - 7:47 AM
                        "the main difference is that you can stay inside your physical body, and still see things that happens in a different room, a different country"

                        if this gift (remote viewing) came to someone naturally and with no intention of seeing this or that, would it make sense that the things a person saw most might be those that are emotionally charged (e.g. fighting or distressful situations)?
                        • Re:astral projection vs. remot viewing

                          Wed, February 15, 2006 - 11:47 PM
                          It is indeed a gift (=

                          It makes a lot of sense that you see emotionally charged situation. These are the situation that require assistance (-:
                          If you saw people fighting on the street, wouldn't you stop and try to end that fight? It's the same idea in remote viewing...
                          It can be very frustrating if you see people whom you don't know, and CAN'T help, though...

                          When you learn to control it you can use it to watch over people you care for, no matter where they are.

                          mai
                          • Re:astral projection vs. remot viewing

                            Thu, February 16, 2006 - 7:39 AM
                            how does one learn to control it? because seeing awful things when you can't do anything sucks.
                            • Re:contoling remot viewing

                              Fri, February 17, 2006 - 3:17 AM
                              As I see it, you have a few options:
                              1. Denial. You ignore what you see, how you feel, and pretend nothing's going on.
                              2. Learn how to control what you SEE.
                              3. Learn how to Astral project and actually DO something with what you SEE
                              None of the above is easy, but the choice is yours [=

                              mai
                              • Re:contoling remot viewing

                                Fri, February 17, 2006 - 3:46 AM
                                hello Maj
                                there was an estensive documentation about Astral travelling
                                on Astral Harmony tribe ,a while back ,some of it was excellent
                                and could be aiding material in this quest ..regards
                                Samaya
                              • Re:contoling remot viewing

                                Mon, February 20, 2006 - 10:01 AM
                                Mai: "If what-ever-it-is you face is stronger than you, it can very easily harm you (energetically AND physically!). "

                                It can harm u physhicly? In what way? Honestly, i never heard that attacks in astral can do u damage to your physhical body.
                                • Re:contoling remot viewing

                                  Mon, February 20, 2006 - 3:33 PM
                                  Me either, but when Shaman did healings they would go and work on the Astral Body, and then it would affect the physical body, 2 days to 2 weeks later.
                                  • Re:astral effect on the physical body

                                    Tue, February 21, 2006 - 1:53 PM
                                    have you never got back from an Astral encounter and found marks on your body?

                                    if you pierce your physical body - you create a little hole in your astral body. however, if you sneeze there is no effect...
                                    same goes the other way around - some astral encounters can leave a physical mark, and some aren't strong enough.

                                    mai
                                    • Re:astral effect on the physical body

                                      Fri, March 3, 2006 - 3:08 PM
                                      lemme tell you a story from my distant past - 20 years anyway. just starting out in my otherworldly endeavors, i was a white light crusader. i'd go on astral patrol once a week or so, hunting nasties, or demons if you prefer, with the intention of vanquishing them. it was all small scale stuff - i liked to win. the last such patrol i made involved a wee small impish thing. it had it's back to me. no matter. as i raised my sword of light (melee combat was my method of visualization), preparing to neutralize the poor creature, the scene went into slowmo. the imp turned to face me, and as it turned it grew in stature. it had an ugly looking spear in hand. as it came around, i stood, unable to defend, unable to run, transfixed. simultaneously with it's facing me full, towering over me and by then three times my size, it ran me through with that wicked spear. only then did i manage to disengage, but it was more like some outside force did the disengaging - shoved me back and away.

                                      back in my earthly body, i hurt...just like i'd had a pointy stick shoved through my gut. on physical examination, there was a red tender spot midway betwixt solar plexis and belly button. not only that, i found myself completely drained and ineffectual, energy-wise. shields were down and i didn't have a thing to put them back up with. i sought and found sanctuary with a fellow practitioner. the pain stayed with me for a few days. the mark was gone in a week. it was two weeks before i was able to do my own warding again.

                                      in later times i discovered how lucky i'd been, and came to an understanding that spear guy had done me a real favor. really. as in i hadn't been attacked - i'd been schooled. what i'd been up to on my patrols hadn't been pure goodness and light at all, but rather self-serving vigilante behavior in the guise of good guy stuff. though i suppose that depends on one's philosophy. i'm fairly tolerant of the extremes now. as long as they're not screwing with me or mine, i leave them be. and my methods have changed too, so what used to be very confrontational is now more like a discussion.

                                      moral of the story:
                                      if you go looking for trouble, it'll find you. so don't. avoid pissing things off if you can help it, and if you can't help it then you'd better be properly prepared.
            • Re: Moki's "Evil only has the power I give it"

              Mon, February 27, 2006 - 12:23 PM
              Moki You say:"Evil only has the power I give it"

              I Say RIGHT ON!
              I Know you GET IT!

              William
              • Evil only has the power I give it

                Fri, March 3, 2006 - 3:45 PM
                What is "evil"?

                Good and evil are relative labels. Order and chaos is a better way to describe what dichotomy there is present on the spiritual plane. Though some places are a little more in a gray area.

                Let me share an experience and ask you a question.

                One day I was working with a person on some interpersonal work. A Spirit came into the house, knocked over an 80+lb door and then blew out the electricity in one half of the house.

                If I had been under that 80lb door, I would have been hurt - probably fairly badly. Or if I had somehow been working with an appliance - I might have gotten shocked.

                Are you trying to tell me this Spirit only had the power I gave it?

                Really. Be careful what you say. There is much about the Spirit world that remains poorly understood.

                peace,
                Naomi
                www.intuitivepath.org
                • Re: Evil only has the power I give it

                  Fri, March 3, 2006 - 11:29 PM
                  naomi, while i agree with you that good and evil are practically useless descriptives, i disagree on replacing them with order and chaos. unfriendly forces can and do cooperate. that's order. some people quite unconsciously radiate love energy. that's chaos. so imo, a more useful description of the dichotomy might be friendly and unfriendly...which is not to say either is necessarily more or less desirable than the other.
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                    Re: Evil only has the power I give it

                    Sat, March 4, 2006 - 12:21 AM
                    i agree with friendly/unfriendy example to a certain extent.. yet i also thing everything is fluid.. something can start out unfriendly... yet depending on your energy, strength how you engage it.. in my experience sometimes beings/entities with scary, evil seeming shells were actually not that at all... as in, they're sometimes a ruse to keep all but the most curious and adventuresome of souls away.

                    as far as the "evil only has the power you give it".. might be a bit extreme, yet, i believe there is a maybe a piece of the truth within that.. in that, "how do you react to it?"... cerbral psychic versions of the martial arts come to mind, letting it flow throw, using the other's power to trip it off balance, finding a more common ground what have you....

                    i think maybe the concept that basically, the more you polarize your energies/thoughts (black and white/good evil) the stronger your adversaries will be, the higher the chance to encounter the extremes.. also, the more you acknowledge the similarities, the more that you swim in the gray and try and build bridges, the less chance of attack.
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                    Re: Evil only has the power I give it

                    Sat, March 4, 2006 - 4:49 PM
                    Raindog,

                    I didn't communicate well what I was trying to share.

                    I'm not suggesting we replace Good and Evil *with* Order and Chaos, I am sharing that Good and Evil are such relative terms based on human values that they loose meaning in most spiritual contexts.

                    The greatest dichotomy is that which exists between Order and Chaos. But that is not to say one is bad, and the other is good. Both are necessary. Trouble only comes about when the balance between them grows too large for too long. As with anything in the natural world, it is all about balance.

                    The gray area I refer to is this place where I believe people are referring to Friendly and Unfriendly. And the reasons for encountering Friendly or Unfriendly Spirits may be understood some times, but not others. Or Spirits who exhibit one quality one day may/may not exhibit the same quality the next. Which probably has to do more with our personal relationships with the Spirit worlds and how we listen and respond to (or don't) the information we are given.

                    Also, Spirits are known to challenge and test. Again, this is not Friendly or Unfriendly, but just necessary.

                    Naomi
                    www.intuitivepath.org
                • Re: Evil only has the power I give it

                  Sat, March 18, 2006 - 10:02 PM
                  Neomi,

                  I want to ask you if you had Active Boundries clearly in your intention for that home?
                  if you did NOT then it WAS a Power that you gave to it.
                  do you see?
                  were you wearing Protective Talisman? or Medicine bag? or Simmaler intention? You were Not harmed. did you have an Alter? was it harmed? maybe your protection Circle was not deliberate (or wide) enough.

                  Will I Am
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                    Re: Evil only has the power I give it

                    Sat, March 18, 2006 - 10:10 PM
                    hipotetically if you astro travel and cut someone's silver cord, they never return into their body....well how about travelling with scisors or the thought of having some with you???just a thought...
                    • Re: silver cord

                      Sat, March 18, 2006 - 10:24 PM
                      I've heard that a lot, but must say that in all my traveling I never really saw one...
                      I don't think it's real.
                      I find it weird that the soul needs a cord to tie her to the body...
                      If the soul is tied, it means it can only travel to some extant, before it is pulled back into the body, by itself. How far is that extant? Is it different from person to person? Do some people have a longer cord than others? Can you make your cord longer?

                      ?
                      mai
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                    Re: Evil only has the power I give it

                    Thu, March 30, 2006 - 12:31 PM
                    The distinction between good and evil is the power you give either. they are one and the same. every action has an equal and opposite reaction and every reaction is an action in itself that causes its own reaction and so forth into infinity. I think the only real distinction between dualisms (as i try not to appear hypocritical) is that they are completely opposite. ie they cannot be described is a sentence together because that would draw comminatlity between them. as far as good vs. evil. light vs. dark. up vs. down etc goes. i prefer tangible vs. intangible. (and i find that quite funny because they are both described.......in words no less)

                    i myself have never really done or tried to do any astral travel, never really thought it to be necesary. but i did encounter a mysterious traveler, (awake and aware) who told me that he had stolen his body from such a traveler. he told me that since then he had had visions of a warrior watching him as if planning an attack. he said he had seen this warrior twice and upon the third visit they would do battle. One of my friends recently dicovered that his present body was not his own, but rather had been donated to him by a soul who had decided that he would make better use of it. strangely he also (prior to his discovery) has had dreams of this warrior. which makes me wonder if the first case (the thief) was fighting the origonal occupant of his body or some other sort of guardian or something.

                    ANYWAYS the point is that from my own dualistic explorations in the physical realm i have discovered a great deal about the freeflowing universe that sems to constitute the astral realm. In my experience it is not neccesary and often not healthy to Project unless summoned to do so (call it the divine voice or whatever you want).

                    I heard a story of the Windego. the windego is a native american spirit that comsumes travelers who are lost in the woods and turns them upon their companions. there is actually documented events where people become ill with "Windego psychosis" after being lost in the woods. the most notable thing abou the windego is that it is almost strictly canabalistic in nature. the act of eating another human is the milestone/ acceptance of the windego spirit. After this the Windego is restless and crave more human flesh until the vessel (person/victim) is destroyed. Beware astral travelers. the windego is very strong. should you for some reason become lost in your travels stay fast. the warrior will guide you but you will get hungry.
          • Re: Astral Projection: how to begin

            Wed, April 5, 2006 - 10:36 PM
            hi, Im courious if you have experienced while in a oobe state , finding your location of physical body sleeping ( this could be while your watching yourself sleeping in a oobe state as well)., and than trying to open up your physical eyes,, some how ive learned this technique and the results are quite interesting,, you reply post suspects that you have but im not sure.
            just courious..
            thanks, \dave